Msica
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Post by Msica on Mar 17, 2016 13:56:38 GMT
Things are changing with the active shooter response. We are starting to see a new way of entering and treating patients in an active shooter situation around the country. The new way is using a “Rescue Task Force.” A rescue task force consists of both police and EMS. The way it works is this, when the original call comes in police respond and enter the building immediately to neutralize the threat. The original responding Officers job is to take care of the threat and not to treat anyone. In the past EMS would have to wait until the building was cleared to enter, but now that is changing. What is happening around the country is that as additional police arrive they are entering the building and clearing segments of the building and holding security on those cleared areas, this is then deemed a “Warm area.” Once an area is deemed “Warm” a rescue task force consisting of usually 3-4 police and 2-4 EMS enter that area and begin treatment. EMS will treat and the police officers will hold security. If a threat arises the officers will handle the threat. What is your opinion on entering a building that has not been deemed fully safe?
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rob
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Post by rob on Mar 21, 2016 21:27:03 GMT
I agree as long as they are wearing the proper gear for entry. The way we are doing it is, we have a few medics trained and equipped for entry with the PD. We extricate any patients/victims to a safe area and then they are treated prior to transport. There is a risk in doing it like this but it is pretty minimal. If we wait for all the resources to arrive it could be quite a while in outlaying locations.
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Post by tommy2 on Mar 22, 2016 19:25:14 GMT
So we stay back and wait for trained qualified people. We are only human and our safety comes first.
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Post by local32 on Mar 24, 2016 2:13:04 GMT
I think finding the man power and training for all of this in some budgets they won't let it happen. i feel ok letting the police do there job and telling me that the area is safe.
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Post by jdesarro on Apr 6, 2016 2:17:32 GMT
I think that some training should be done with law enforcement agencies on entries into an "active shooter situations". Although this sounds easy, it is not. There is a methodical way that these entry teams move throughout a building and regular training as part of a team becomes very important. There is a large cost that comes attached with that, along with all the proper equipment to keep EMS safe. I think it would be easier to teach law enforcement how to stabilize and do a rapid extrication to a "warm zone" where the pt can be properly treated and transported
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Post by ctullar on Apr 6, 2016 23:53:57 GMT
I think it makes absolutely no sense to put an ems providers life in jeopardy when the scene isn't safe, unless it involves the president.
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Post by jackief on Apr 13, 2016 22:43:25 GMT
I think that those EMS responders will have to be extensively trained, tactical responders. It is definite not for everyone. There are lives to be saved while waiting for "safe scenarios" It would have to be a totally individual preference. Hats off to anyone who would do it.
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Post by mreinemann on Apr 19, 2016 19:35:13 GMT
I think the concept of a Rescue Task Force is great, but the training to have one would be more time and money than many agencies can commit. Especially considering the relative rarity of active shooter situations; I'm not sure if the plan is to have regional RTFs, one per state, or one per agency, or any details beyond that. Too much preparation can cost, and there are systems in place now with police to try to clear a scene as fast as possible. I do think it would be a good middle ground to promote training with police for situations such as an active shooter using methods already in place. I don't know the protocols for dealing with that, but I think it would be beneficial if EMS responders knew everyone's plan at the beginning of the incident.
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Post by baileygraves on Apr 23, 2016 1:23:51 GMT
I think that EMS providers who are willing can give their informed consent to be a part of this team, but I also think that it makes sense to also offer rapid response and triaging training to law enforcement. I think it can only benefit both agencies to have a better understanding of one another's role in an active shooter situation. Training law enforcement would seem, to me, to be a more cost effective solution especially since many have some level of EMS training already.
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